La DISPARITION de DEUX NEERLANDAISE au PANAMA

Le 06 juillet 2022 à 16:02:35 :

Le 06 juillet 2022 à 15:57:09 :
Alors pour connaitre l'affaire sur le bout des doigts depuis des années, j'ai absolument tout vu tout lu, pour moi c'est une évidence : elles sont morte de soif après égarement ! Absolument tout converge vers ça, y'a pas d'autre possibilité !

1er low QI
Développe donc puisque tout converge vers ça.

Lisanne qui est jalouse de Kris (extraverti qui devait se tapper tous les chad devant ses yeux) en a profité pour la découper, ça se voit ! Elle a tout manigancé du début à la fin, elle avait tout prévu

Le 06 juillet 2022 à 16:10:41 :

Le 06 juillet 2022 à 16:02:35 :

Le 06 juillet 2022 à 15:57:09 :
Alors pour connaitre l'affaire sur le bout des doigts depuis des années, j'ai absolument tout vu tout lu, pour moi c'est une évidence : elles sont morte de soif après égarement ! Absolument tout converge vers ça, y'a pas d'autre possibilité !

1er low QI
Développe donc puisque tout converge vers ça.

Lisanne qui est jalouse de Kris en a profité pour la découper, ça se voit ! Elle a tout manigancé du début à la fin, elle avait tout prévu

ca se tiens.

Le 06 juillet 2022 à 16:10:41 :

Le 06 juillet 2022 à 16:02:35 :

Le 06 juillet 2022 à 15:57:09 :
Alors pour connaitre l'affaire sur le bout des doigts depuis des années, j'ai absolument tout vu tout lu, pour moi c'est une évidence : elles sont morte de soif après égarement ! Absolument tout converge vers ça, y'a pas d'autre possibilité !

1er low QI
Développe donc puisque tout converge vers ça.

Lisanne qui est jalouse de Kris (extraverti qui devait se tapper tous les chad devant ses yeux) en a profité pour la découper, ça se voit ! Elle a tout manigancé du début à la fin, elle avait tout prévu

Et si elles avaient été embarquées par le taxi en revenant du sentier, et voyant que le taxi ne prenait pas la direction convenue, elles avaient commencé les appels discrètement ?

Evidemment dans une zone reculée, en voiture ca capte moins

[16:26:42] <DL_Windows11_2>
Mais en fait toutes les tentatives d'appel, aucun n'a abouti ? Ca n'a jamais capté ? Elles appelaient les autorités locales ?

01 April

The last time the Galaxy S3 had a WIFI connection was at 10:10:25.  It would never regain another WIFI connection thereafter. 

The phones were not fully charged with the iPhone4 having 51% battery capacity at 11:40, while the Galaxy S3 had 49% at 11:40. 

Several pictures were taken with the phones between 13:14 and 13:15.  Those pictures were most likely taken on the Mirador.  

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13:14

The Galaxy S3 accessed Google Maps.  

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13:38

The iPhone4 lost GSM network contact and would never regain it again.  It is likely the Galaxy S3 lost GSM network contact at the same or similar time and it would also never regain network contact.  At this time the signal strength was -94 dBm and the phone showed 1 bar. This indicates that the phone picked up a cell tower signal but could not transmit back to establish a two way connection with the cell tower.

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13:54:58

The last known picture was taken with the Canon Camera, indicating there were no issues at this time. 

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16:39

“112”, the Dutch emergency number was called from the iPhone4

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16:51

“112” was dialed from the Galaxy S3.  

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17:51:52

The Galaxy S3 was likely powered off.  It is not possible to determine this time with absolute certainty.  It is concluded based on the fact, that there was no longer any activity of the operating system after this time. It would be logical that both phones were turned off at the same time (the iPhone4 was turned off at 17:52). Note that in the graph this time is rounded to 17:52

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17:52

The iPhone4 was likely powered off

What happened on this day after 13:54 is not known, however within roughly 2.5h after the last image was taken, something severe enough must have happened to prompt the 112 calls.  

It had been nearly exactly 3h since GSM contact was lost and if Kris and Lisanne had been mobile and had the ability to move freely, they could have reversed and moved 3h back towards the mirador and regained contact to the cell network.  However, this was not done.  

Possibilities for this are:

They both were not mobile

They did not want to move

They both could not move freely

They did not know the direction back

One did not want to leave the other potentially immobilized behind

12 min elapsed between the two 112 calls from the phones and 112 was attempted to be called only once with each phone.  

What situation is serious but not serious enough to try 112 immediately and instead of trying again, wait 12 min. Even if there was no network contact, why was it not tried more often?  Did the phone users have the discipline to simply look at the phone status, see “No Service” and not try again?  Is this an indication that, at this time the situation was not yet very serious?  Or were they not in control of their actions?  Both phones were turned off between 17:40 and 17:52 so at this time it must have been clear that network contact would not be regained and that batteries need to be preserved, which indicates a situation arose that prevented a return to the mirador and indicated a potential wait for help would be required.  If they were forced to turn of the phones by a 3rd party, it would be likely the phones would have been turned off at the same time or within the same minute.

02 April

6:58

The Galaxy S3 was powered on, “112” was dialed and the phone powered off.  The phone had no cell network connection and the call did not go through.  

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8:12

The iPhone4 was powered on, “112” was dialed from the iPhone4 at 8:14 and the phone powered off.  The phone had no cell network connection and the call did not go through.  At this time the signal strength was -113 dBm and the phone showed 1 bar. This indicates that the phone picked up a cell tower signal but could not transmit back to establish a two way connection with the cell tower.

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10:52

The Galaxy S3 was powered on, at 10:53 “112” and “911” was dialed and the phone powered off. The phone had no cell network connection and the calls did not go through.

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13:50

The Galaxy S3 was powered on and powered off.  The phone had no cell network connection, no calls were made.  

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16:19

The Galaxy S3 was powered on and left on.  The phone was then powered during the night.  

03 April

2:21 – 2:47

The Galaxy S3 had been continuously on since 02 April at 16:19.  It appears as if the phone was not actively used and only left on.  It is not clear if this was an oversight that depleted the battery or if it was done on purpose.  

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2:21 

Weather application used

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2:41.  

Applications of the Android OS were used but it is not known which ones

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7:36

The battery had depleted to 1% and the phone was most likely turned off at this time or shortly after.  

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9:32

The iPhone4 was powered on, “911” was dialed twice from the iPhone4 at 9:33 and the phone powered off.  The phone had no cell network connection and the call did not go through.  At this time the signal strength was -113 dBm and the phone showed 1 bar. This indicates that the phone picked up a cell tower signal but could not transmit back to establish a two way connection with the cell tower. A signal strength of -113 dBm per the forensics report means that there is essentially no signal. However it is the interpretation of the author that the phone transceiver did pick up an extremely low signal.

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11:46

The iPhone4 was powered on and then powered off.  For this data point is no raw data in the forensics report and no signal strength is stated. It is possible, that at this time there was also 1 bar but it is not reported in the forensics report.

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15:59

The iPhone4 was powered on, the contact “Mytiam, 00 507 679xxxxx” looked up in WhatsApp (Note: the spelling in this article is not a typo.  Full phone number is withheld) and the phone powered off.

At this time the signal strength was -113 dBm and the phone showed 1 bar. This indicates that the phone picked up a cell tower signal but could not transmit back to establish a two way connection with the cell tower. A signal strength of -113 dBm per the forensics report means that there is essentially no signal. However it is the interpretation of the author that the phone transceiver did pick up an extremely low signal.

This is the last data point for which signal strength data is reported in the forensics report. It is speculation by the author, that from this time on the phone did not pick up any signal anymore and the readings would have been -120 dBm and 0 bars.

No further attempts to call 112 or 911 are made again, which is likely attributed to the fact that the phone had no longer 1 bar and no hope of connecting to a cell tower.

Le 05 juillet 2022 à 22:53:00 :
On a retrouvé le bassin de Kris et le pied de Lisanne.
Elles ont forcément croisé la route de membres de tribus cannibales et ils ont fait ce qu'ils auraient fait a n'importe quel humain qu'ils croisent.

Ça coule de source.

ça n'existe pas les tribus cannibales, on est pas au XVIème siècle. Le pied qui a été retrouvé à proximité d'un cours d'eau, c'est juste que les corps ont du être jeté dedans (les extrémités d'un cadavre immergé dans l'eau finissent par se détacher).

04 April

4:50

The Galaxy S3 was turned on and turned off.  

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5:00

The Galaxy S3 was turned on and turned off.  The battery was at 0%.  This was the last time the Galaxy S3 booted up.  

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10:16

The iPhone4 was powered on and the phone powered off.  

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13:42

The iPhone4 was powered on and the phone powered off.  

05 April

10:50

The iPhone4 was powered on and the phone powered off.  This was the last time the SIM Pin was entered correctly.  On all previous times the phone was powered up, the SIM pin was entered correctly.  

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13:14

There is a logfile created on the Galaxy S3 which is only possible if the phone had power.  However, it did not power up and the conclusion by the author is that the battery had just enough power to start the phone’s boot process, but it shut down from a lack of power before having booted up. 

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13:37 

The iPhone4 was powered on and then powered off.  Note that at this time the SIM Pin was not entered or not entered correctly (this cannot be determined).  The SIM pin will never be entered or entered correctly again.  Whoever entered the SIM Pin incorrectly (or did not enter it) must have known the Login pin to unlock the phone.  

Le 06 juillet 2022 à 16:56:22 :

Le 05 juillet 2022 à 22:53:00 :
On a retrouvé le bassin de Kris et le pied de Lisanne.
Elles ont forcément croisé la route de membres de tribus cannibales et ils ont fait ce qu'ils auraient fait a n'importe quel humain qu'ils croisent.

Ça coule de source.

ça n'existe pas les tribus cannibales, on est pas au XVIème siècle. Le pied qui a été retrouvé à proximité d'un cours d'eau, c'est juste que les corps ont du être jeté dedans (les extrémités d'un cadavre immergé dans l'eau finissent par se détacher).

Ce qu'il ne faut pas lire

Le 06 juillet 2022 à 16:58:40 :
Est-ce que vous avez des preuves comme quoi des tribus cannibales existent là bas
Est-ce qu'il y a même aujourd'hui des tribus cannibales qui existent encore? Ça me paraît assez peu vraisemblable en tout cas dans une zone touristique comme celle-ci

Pas cannibale mais apparemment y'a des sectes religieuses qui font des rites et des sacrifices

06 April

10:26

The iPhone4 was powered on and then powered off.  The SIM pin was not entered or not entered correctly.   

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14:35 

The iPhone4 was powered on and then powered off. The SIM pin was not entered or not entered correctly. Note that this data point was previously incorrectly stated in this article as 13:37 and is also widely incorrectly stated on “the internet”.

07 April

No Activity of either phone could be found

08 April

No Activity of either phone could be found

Note that in the night and early morning the “Nightphotos” were taken.

10 April

5:15

There is a logfile created on the Galaxy S3 which is only possible if the phone had power.  However, it did not boot up completely and the conclusion by the author is that the battery had just enough power to start the phone’s boot process but it shut down from a lack of power before having fully booted up. 

11 April

10:51 

The iPhone4 was powered on and left on for 64 minutes.  The phone was then powered off.  The SIM pin was not entered or not entered correctly.  

There are no log files created during those 64 min and it is not known what the phone was used for during this time.  The fact that it was turned off indicates that the user had intentions to conserve battery and to use it again.  However, it was never turned on again after.  It is not known how much capacity was left in the battery but before having been turned on the capacity would have been in the range of 22% and it is likely that some capacity remained when it was turned off.  The author believes that there would have been sufficient battery capacity to boot up the iPhone4 again. 

Le 05 juillet 2022 à 13:02:30 :
Cas classique

Hors du sentier

Perdue

Ni à manger ni à boire

On peut survivre 3 jours sans manger mais on peut même pas vivre une journée sans eau

La règle des 3
3 jours sans boire
3 semaines sans manger

Le 06 juillet 2022 à 17:05:34 :
Elles ont servit de sacrifice humain pour une tribu locale.
C est malheureusement courant la bas.

Non, y a aucun sacrifice.

Le 06 juillet 2022 à 17:03:16 :

Le 06 juillet 2022 à 16:58:40 :
Est-ce que vous avez des preuves comme quoi des tribus cannibales existent là bas
Est-ce qu'il y a même aujourd'hui des tribus cannibales qui existent encore? Ça me paraît assez peu vraisemblable en tout cas dans une zone touristique comme celle-ci

Pas cannibale mais apparemment y'a des sectes religieuses qui font des rites et des sacrifices

La Nueva Luz de Dios
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/16/panama-burial-pit-children-exorcisms-religious-sect

Sinon, Henry, le fils du guide Feliciano qui partage un meme sur son facebook quelques jours après la disparition des filles

cf ce topic :
https://www.jeuxvideo.com/forums/42-51-63017087-16-0-1-0-enquete-panama-disparition-de-kris-kremers-et-lisanne-froon.htm