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https://web.archive.org/web/20090114104055/http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,795936,00.html (article de 1942)
https://web.archive.org/web/20180114183808/http://expert.ru/expert/2010/01/ura_u_nih_depressiya/
Première usine en URSS .gif ":d)")
usine en kit importée des USA, au moins c'est acté 
Le 11 mars 2024 à 14:55:52 :
https://twitter.com/DD_Geopolitics/status/1767152321912291677"Journalists" from The Sun came to Ukraine to film their Royal Wunderwaffe the Challenged-2 Tank in action, but it got stuck in mud, so they had to bring in another Challenged-2 Tank to pull it out.
La honte que c'est le matos occidental
Challenger = merde en barre tout le monde le savait
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease
"According to the Russian historian Boris Vadimovich Sokolov, Lend-Lease had a crucial role in winning the war:
On the whole the following conclusion can be drawn: that without these Western shipments under Lend-Lease the Soviet Union not only would not have been able to win the Great Patriotic War, it would not have been able even to oppose the German invaders, since it could not itself produce sufficient quantities of arms and military equipment or adequate supplies of fuel and ammunition. The Soviet authorities were well aware of this dependency on Lend-Lease. Thus, Stalin told Harry Hopkins [FDR's emissary to Moscow in July 1941] that the U.S.S.R. could not match Germany's might as an occupier of Europe and its resources."
"Nikita Khrushchev, having served as a military commissar and intermediary between Stalin and his generals during the war, addressed directly the significance of Lend-lease aid in his memoirs:
I would like to express my candid opinion about Stalin's views on whether the Red Army and the Soviet Union could have coped with Nazi Germany and survived the war without aid from the United States and Britain. First, I would like to tell about some remarks Stalin made and repeated several times when we were "discussing freely" among ourselves. He stated bluntly that if the United States had not helped us, we would not have won the war. If we had had to fight Nazi Germany one on one, we could not have stood up against Germany's pressure, and we would have lost the war. No one ever discussed this subject officially, and I don't think Stalin left any written evidence of his opinion, but I will state here that several times in conversations with me he noted that these were the actual circumstances. He never made a special point of holding a conversation on the subject, but when we were engaged in some kind of relaxed conversation, going over international questions of the past and present, and when we would return to the subject of the path we had traveled during the war, that is what he said. When I listened to his remarks, I was fully in agreement with him, and today I am even more so."
"In a confidential interview with the wartime correspondent Konstantin Simonov, the Soviet Marshal Georgy Zhukov is quoted as saying:
Today [1963] some say the Allies didn't really help us ... But listen, one cannot deny that the Americans shipped over to us material without which we could not have equipped our armies held in reserve or been able to continue the war."
""Your decision, Mr. President, to give the Soviet Union an interest-free credit of $1 billion in the form of materiel supplies and raw materials has been accepted by the Soviet government with heartfelt gratitude as urgent aid to the Soviet Union in its enormous and difficult fight against the common enemy bloodthirsty Hitlerism," Stalin wrote to Roosevelt."
"Soviet dictator Josef Stalin raised a toast to the Lend-Lease program at the November 1943 Tehran conference with British Prime Minister Winston Churchill and U.S. President Franklin Roosevelt.
"I want to tell you what, from the Russian point of view, the president and the United States have done for victory in this war," Stalin said. "The most important things in this war are the machines.... The United States is a country of machines. Without the machines we received through Lend-Lease, we would have lost the war.""
"However, the real significance of Lend-Lease for the Soviet war effort was that it covered the "sensitive points" of Soviet production -- gasoline, explosives, aluminum, nonferrous metals, radio communications, and so on, says historian Boris Sokolov.
"In a hypothetical battle one-on-one between the U.S.S.R and Germany, without the help of Lend-Lease and without the diversion of significant forces of the Luftwaffe and the German Navy and the diversion of more than one-quarter of its land forces in the fight against Britain and the United States, Stalin could hardly have beaten Hitler," Sokolov wrote in an essay for RFE/RL's Russian Service."
Dix fois rien
Le 11 mars 2024 à 14:56:13 :
Le 11 mars 2024 à 14:48:47 :
"The first 76mm-armed M4A2 diesel-fuel Shermans started to arrive in Soviet Union in the late summer of 1944.[16] By 1945, ..."Tiens donc, juste quand les soviets avaient déjà repousser les allemands
Les ricains et le timing parfait pour se faire passer en "héro"
Les USA, c'est du courage mais surtout un certain sens de la mesure
.gif ":)")
Comme l'URSS, qui a trouvé du courage uniquement 2 ans après l'entrée en guerre et uniquement parce que l'Österreichischer Maler a rompu le pacte Molotov-Ribbentrop en attaquant le premier. Syndrome du résistant de dernière minute 
Le 11 mars 2024 à 15:00:29 :
https://twitter.com/UkrReview/status/1767180134698643700Russische Qualität
A peine construit déjà fissuré 
«l'armée russe est aujourd'hui la référence "tactique et technique" pour penser et mettre en œuvre le mode défensif». LCI
Retournement de veste chez LCI ? 
Le 11 mars 2024 à 15:00:22 :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease
"According to the Russian historian Boris Vadimovich Sokolov, Lend-Lease had a crucial role in winning the war:
On the whole the following conclusion can be drawn: that without these Western shipments under Lend-Lease the Soviet Union not only would not have been able to win the Great Patriotic War, it would not have been able even to oppose the German invaders, since it could not itself produce sufficient quantities of arms and military equipment or adequate supplies of fuel and ammunition. The Soviet authorities were well aware of this dependency on Lend-Lease. Thus, Stalin told Harry Hopkins [FDR's emissary to Moscow in July 1941] that the U.S.S.R. could not match Germany's might as an occupier of Europe and its resources."
"Nikita Khrushchev, having served as a military commissar and intermediary between Stalin and his generals during the war, addressed directly the significance of Lend-lease aid in his memoirs:
I would like to express my candid opinion about Stalin's views on whether the Red Army and the Soviet Union could have coped with Nazi Germany and survived the war without aid from the United States and Britain. First, I would like to tell about some remarks Stalin made and repeated several times when we were "discussing freely" among ourselves. He stated bluntly that if the United States had not helped us, we would not have won the war. If we had had to fight Nazi Germany one on one, we could not have stood up against Germany's pressure, and we would have lost the war. No one ever discussed this subject officially, and I don't think Stalin left any written evidence of his opinion, but I will state here that several times in conversations with me he noted that these were the actual circumstances. He never made a special point of holding a conversation on the subject, but when we were engaged in some kind of relaxed conversation, going over international questions of the past and present, and when we would return to the subject of the path we had traveled during the war, that is what he said. When I listened to his remarks, I was fully in agreement with him, and today I am even more so."
"In a confidential interview with the wartime correspondent Konstantin Simonov, the Soviet Marshal Georgy Zhukov is quoted as saying:
Today [1963] some say the Allies didn't really help us ... But listen, one cannot deny that the Americans shipped over to us material without which we could not have equipped our armies held in reserve or been able to continue the war."
""Your decision, Mr. President, to give the Soviet Union an interest-free credit of $1 billion in the form of materiel supplies and raw materials has been accepted by the Soviet government with heartfelt gratitude as urgent aid to the Soviet Union in its enormous and difficult fight against the common enemy bloodthirsty Hitlerism," Stalin wrote to Roosevelt."
"Soviet dictator Josef Stalin raised a toast to the Lend-Lease program at the November 1943 Tehran conference with British Prime Minister Winston Churchill and U.S. President Franklin Roosevelt.
"I want to tell you what, from the Russian point of view, the president and the United States have done for victory in this war," Stalin said. "The most important things in this war are the machines.... The United States is a country of machines. Without the machines we received through Lend-Lease, we would have lost the war.""
"However, the real significance of Lend-Lease for the Soviet war effort was that it covered the "sensitive points" of Soviet production -- gasoline, explosives, aluminum, nonferrous metals, radio communications, and so on, says historian Boris Sokolov.
"In a hypothetical battle one-on-one between the U.S.S.R and Germany, without the help of Lend-Lease and without the diversion of significant forces of the Luftwaffe and the German Navy and the diversion of more than one-quarter of its land forces in the fight against Britain and the United States, Stalin could hardly have beaten Hitler," Sokolov wrote in an essay for RFE/RL's Russian Service."
Dix fois rien
Même Haloisme fait référence au fameux toast porté par Staline à Téhéran en 1943 pour remercier les américains du prêt-bail. Alors Nawar ? Un mot sur ce pavé ?
Le 11 mars 2024 à 14:56:13 :
Le 11 mars 2024 à 14:48:47 :
"The first 76mm-armed M4A2 diesel-fuel Shermans started to arrive in Soviet Union in the late summer of 1944.[16] By 1945, ..."Tiens donc, juste quand les soviets avaient déjà repousser les allemands
Les ricains et le timing parfait pour se faire passer en "héro"
Les USA, c'est du courage mais surtout un certain sens de la mesure
Pour Haloisme c'est les chars Sherman reçu par l'Union soviétique en grande partie en 1944 qui ont défait l'Allemagne à Moscou, Leningrad, Stalingrad et Koursk.
Le 11 mars 2024 à 15:05:44 :
L'URSS est une invention américaine, faut l'savoir
Poutine avait donc raison concernant l'implication de la CIA dans l'ordre mondial. Poutine qui explique implicitement que l'URSS est une création de la CIA 
Le 11 mars 2024 à 15:08:07 :
Le 11 mars 2024 à 14:56:13 :
Le 11 mars 2024 à 14:48:47 :
"The first 76mm-armed M4A2 diesel-fuel Shermans started to arrive in Soviet Union in the late summer of 1944.[16] By 1945, ..."Tiens donc, juste quand les soviets avaient déjà repousser les allemands
Les ricains et le timing parfait pour se faire passer en "héro"
Les USA, c'est du courage mais surtout un certain sens de la mesure
Pour Haloisme c'est les chars Sherman reçu par l'Union soviétique en 1944 qui ont défait l'Allemagne à Moscou, Leningrad, Stalingrad et Koursk.
Tu peux me donner la citation exacte stp ? 
Le 11 mars 2024 à 15:09:23 :
Le 11 mars 2024 à 15:05:44 :
L'URSS est une invention américaine, faut l'savoirPoutine avait donc raison concernant l'implication de la CIA dans l'ordre mondial. Poutine qui explique implicitement que l'URSS est une création de la CIA
Poutine a toujours raison mais il faut une culture historique pour le comprendre
Le 11 mars 2024 à 15:09:36 :
Le 11 mars 2024 à 15:08:07 :
Le 11 mars 2024 à 14:56:13 :
Le 11 mars 2024 à 14:48:47 :
"The first 76mm-armed M4A2 diesel-fuel Shermans started to arrive in Soviet Union in the late summer of 1944.[16] By 1945, ..."Tiens donc, juste quand les soviets avaient déjà repousser les allemands
Les ricains et le timing parfait pour se faire passer en "héro"
Les USA, c'est du courage mais surtout un certain sens de la mesure
Pour Haloisme c'est les chars Sherman reçu par l'Union soviétique en 1944 qui ont défait l'Allemagne à Moscou, Leningrad, Stalingrad et Koursk.
Tu peux me donner la citation exacte stp ?
Mon message :
Les américanoïdes russophobes du topic vont bientôt dire que c'est les américains qui ont remportés la bataille de Stalingrad et de Koursk.
Dans ton article qui :
"The first 76mm-armed M4A2 diesel-fuel Shermans started to arrive in Soviet Union in the late summer of 1944.[16] By 1945".
Ce que tu inssunues : C'est grâce aux chars Sherman que les soviétique ont gagnés à Koursk et Stalingrad (1943).
Réalité : La plupart des chars Sherman ont été livré à L'URSS entre 1944 et 1945.
Le 11 mars 2024 à 15:08:07 :
Le 11 mars 2024 à 14:56:13 :
Le 11 mars 2024 à 14:48:47 :
"The first 76mm-armed M4A2 diesel-fuel Shermans started to arrive in Soviet Union in the late summer of 1944.[16] By 1945, ..."Tiens donc, juste quand les soviets avaient déjà repousser les allemands
Les ricains et le timing parfait pour se faire passer en "héro"
Les USA, c'est du courage mais surtout un certain sens de la mesure
Pour Haloisme c'est les chars Sherman reçu par l'Union soviétique en grande partie en 1944 qui ont défait l'Allemagne à Moscou, Leningrad, Stalingrad et Koursk.
Pour Kursk 
Le 11 mars 2024 à 15:12:11 :
Le 11 mars 2024 à 15:09:36 :
Le 11 mars 2024 à 15:08:07 :
Le 11 mars 2024 à 14:56:13 :
Le 11 mars 2024 à 14:48:47 :
"The first 76mm-armed M4A2 diesel-fuel Shermans started to arrive in Soviet Union in the late summer of 1944.[16] By 1945, ..."Tiens donc, juste quand les soviets avaient déjà repousser les allemands
Les ricains et le timing parfait pour se faire passer en "héro"
Les USA, c'est du courage mais surtout un certain sens de la mesure
Pour Haloisme c'est les chars Sherman reçu par l'Union soviétique en 1944 qui ont défait l'Allemagne à Moscou, Leningrad, Stalingrad et Koursk.
Tu peux me donner la citation exacte stp ?
Mon message :
Les américanoïdes russophobes du topic vont bientôt dire que c'est les américains qui ont remportés la bataille de Stalingrad et de Koursk.
Dans ton article :
"The first 76mm-armed M4A2 diesel-fuel Shermans started to arrive in Soviet Union in the late summer of 1944.[16] By 1945".
Ce que tu inssunues : C'est grâce aux chars Sherman que les soviétique ont gagnés à Koursk et Stalingrad.
J’ai rien insinué, je ne fais juste que poster des faits
Merci de pas diffamer
Le 11 mars 2024 à 15:15:00 :
Le 11 mars 2024 à 15:12:11 :
Le 11 mars 2024 à 15:09:36 :
Le 11 mars 2024 à 15:08:07 :
Le 11 mars 2024 à 14:56:13 :
> Le 11 mars 2024 à 14:48:47 :
>"The first 76mm-armed M4A2 diesel-fuel Shermans started to arrive in Soviet Union in the late summer of 1944.[16] By 1945, ..."
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> Tiens donc, juste quand les soviets avaient déjà repousser les allemands
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> Les ricains et le timing parfait pour se faire passer en "héro"
Les USA, c'est du courage mais surtout un certain sens de la mesure
Pour Haloisme c'est les chars Sherman reçu par l'Union soviétique en 1944 qui ont défait l'Allemagne à Moscou, Leningrad, Stalingrad et Koursk.
Tu peux me donner la citation exacte stp ?
Mon message :
Les américanoïdes russophobes du topic vont bientôt dire que c'est les américains qui ont remportés la bataille de Stalingrad et de Koursk.
Dans ton article :
"The first 76mm-armed M4A2 diesel-fuel Shermans started to arrive in Soviet Union in the late summer of 1944.[16] By 1945".
Ce que tu inssunues : C'est grâce aux chars Sherman que les soviétique ont gagnés à Koursk et Stalingrad.
J’ai rien insinué, je ne fais juste que poster des faits
Merci de pas diffamer
Donc quel est l'intérêt de ton message alors ?
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