Naruto « je vais montrer qu’un raté peux réussir en travaillant »
Le 27 novembre 2020 à 15:49:36 Myramyra a écrit :
Le 27 novembre 2020 à 15:19:48 Sirop_N6 a écrit :
Le 27 novembre 2020 à 15:18:26 PseudoEnLigne a écrit :
T'as oublié le meilleur entraîneur kakashiLes autres avez gai kourenai et asuma
Sans oublier que naruto était l'enfant de la prophétie
Bref c'est du ichigo
Azuma était un bon prof il était quand même membre des 12 Ninja gardien + fils de hokage
Azuma était le plus négligent de tous les entraîneurs
Lors du combat entre Hinata et Neji, quand ce dernier essaie de tuer Hinata TOUS les senseis (Gai, Kurenai, Kakashi et même l'arbitre) interviennent pour le stopper, le seul qui branle rien c'est Asuma et Shikamaru le lui fait remarquer juste après
Il est venu au secours de shikamaru face aux villageois d'otto
Le 27 novembre 2020 à 15:56:22 Bikarop a écrit :
Le 27 novembre 2020 à 15:49:36 Myramyra a écrit :
Le 27 novembre 2020 à 15:19:48 Sirop_N6 a écrit :
Le 27 novembre 2020 à 15:18:26 PseudoEnLigne a écrit :
T'as oublié le meilleur entraîneur kakashiLes autres avez gai kourenai et asuma
Sans oublier que naruto était l'enfant de la prophétie
Bref c'est du ichigo
Azuma était un bon prof il était quand même membre des 12 Ninja gardien + fils de hokage
Azuma était le plus négligent de tous les entraîneurs
Lors du combat entre Hinata et Neji, quand ce dernier essaie de tuer Hinata TOUS les senseis (Gai, Kurenai, Kakashi et même l'arbitre) interviennent pour le stopper, le seul qui branle rien c'est Asuma et Shikamaru le lui fait remarquer juste aprèsIl est venu au secours de shikamaru face aux villageois d'otto
Certes je dis pas, et cette scène était ultra badass. Mais le fait qu'il n'est pas très sérieux (il corrompt carrément Choji avec de la bouffe ) et demeure incroyablement faible en comparaison de Gai et Kakashi.
Après ça restera toujours l'un de mes persos préféré
Le 27 novembre 2020 à 15:54:44 Myramyra a écrit :
Le 27 novembre 2020 à 15:53:00 loums a écrit :
Le 27 novembre 2020 à 15:14:42 Sirop_N6 a écrit :
Pour rappel Naruto c'est :- fils de Hokage
- Kyuubi en lui
- génétique de fou, quantité de chakra juste incroyable
- Réincarnation d'un des fils de l'hermite Rikudo
- Descendant du clan Uzumaki clan affilié aux Senju"gneu gneu mais Kyuubi c'étais un fardeau au début"
Ok mais sans Kyuubi Naruto ça aurait été un mec un peu random, à la limite du niveau Jiraya mais c'est grace à Kyuubi qu'il a vraiment atteint le god mode
Et avant qu'on me sortes "gneu gneu Gaï sensei" :
- il est obligé d'utiliser les 8 portes pour devenir op
- il est jamais dit que Gaï est un 0 tout génétiquement, le seul 0 tout génétique c'est Rock Lee, le perso nul qui se fait détruire contre Gaara, qui se fait aider par Gaara dans la poursuite de Sasuke, et qui est à peine inclut dans naruto shippuden
C'est bon vous êtes convaincu qu'avec du travail tout le monde peut réussir ?Finalement c’est Neji qui avait raison c’est pour ça que l’auteur l’a tué après s’être rendu compte qu’il s’était écarté du chemin départ
eh ba fais ton neji et bosses pas
Dans 10 ans tu seras largué par à peu près tout le monde
quelque soi leur point de départ , quelque soi le domaine , tu peux être gâté par la nature , si tu bouges pas ton énorme boul au final tu deviens personne , désolé .A chaque fois que Neji nous est montré sur son temps libre, on le voit en train de s'entraîner en fait
Le seul qui se distingue vraiment en terme de motivation c'est Rock Lee et Naruto l'explose avec son petit orteil.
ce quai incollable
I’m fairly sure at this point that Naruto is more or less fascist propaganda. There are so many things that we as a fandom want to turn a blind eye to yet when SNK was called out for being fascist, we had no problem boycotting it because it wasnt an anime that we’d come to love throughout our childhood. Unfortunately Naruto was a lot more subtle and pulled a fast one on us towards the end - 14/15 years after its initial release.
Theres a lot of intricate reasons as to why I’d call it fascist but I’ll list the general points to be made that everyone can easily recognize.
• Genocide for the good of the nation. This one is pretty obvious but I thought I’d get it out of the way. Slaughtering possible defectors of the state is apparently an honourable and justified choice. Even if some members of the oppressed minority were completely unaware of their leaders planned coup or had no desire to revolt against the system, each and every single one of them apparently deserved death.
• Brainwashing children into military violence goes completely unquestioned by the narrative. The only people who challenge this idea are portrayed as “hateful.” The best example of this is how the narrative feels the need to emphasize that Itachi murdering his clan was his own decision. I just find it awfully strange that we’re expected to believe that a 13 year old, who was sent to fight in a bloody war for his country when he was just a toddler and was shown to suffer from severe PTSD, apparently wasnt brainwashed with threats of war on his impressionable child brain when he was already completely numb to the concept of killing people. Itachis history details the story of a brainwashed child soldier yet goes to great efforts to brush it aside and give Itachi the autonomy that he never actually had. On a meta level it’s pretty messed up that Itachis actions as a result of his brainwashing, was praised by Hashirama Senju - the ultimate force of “peace” who founded the village and “the will of fire” that were so expected to admire.
• Consistent denial of blatant military violence. In the manga, the truth about the Uchiha massacre is covered up by Naruto, Sasuke and eventually Sakura to “maintain honour of the Uchiha.” This makes absolutely no logical sense whatsoever. How is it more honourable to say that a clan was slaughtered by a rogue criminal of their own (further perpetuating the selfish, bloodthirsty and power-hungry stereotype) when the truth is that an oppressed group of people were slaughtered off by the government? How can an act of genocide be prevented by a future government when the truth is actively censored by the governemnt? Neither Naruto nor Sasuke did anything to implement some sort of bill of human rights, laws or Geneva conventions in honour of Uchiha to prevent more innocent bloodshed at the hands of the state.
• Ultranationalism at every opportunity. The village is literally gated off. No one enters or leaves without permission from authority. The unification of the village under the statist military + the slaughter of any and all potential defectors is pretty telling. Its scary that “the will of fire” and protecting the state is the only honourable and good goal/ideology to have in this series as shown by Sasuke only ever being seen as “not evil” when he is beaten down into conforming to the government.
• Evil is in the genetics of the oppressed. This was pretty unsettling to witness and I’m surprised there havent been more people speaking out about it. Ideologies are inherited not just by fate, but by your genetics. The Senju-Uzumaki obviously have “The will of fire” which is known to be the supreme ideology. It consists of uniting and enduring the hardships of the world under the totalitarian government but NEVER pursuing revolution or change for the better. “The curse of hatred” is its counterpart which has its origins exclusively to the Uchiha. Its explained to be Uchiha culture to some degree. The narrative very desperately tries to paint the pursuit of revolution to prevent more violence as evil, bloodthirsty and selfish. This, in reality, makes no sense. Why are the Uchiha hateful for trying to fix a situation for the better of their family yet somehow the senju arent characterized by hatred despite openly hating the Uchiha? Simply put, the Uchiha are GENETICALLY undesirable and their push for equal rights are characterized as hateful, selfish and lonely. In reality, Madara Uchiha would not become a rogue ninja who decides to attack the entire village including his own family with Kurama because he could not get equal rights for the Uchiha. This doesnt add up with why he was so angry in the first place. Non of the “bloodthirsty” actions of any Uchiha do. They’re a fictional race of people that are only evil by the design of the author to portray oppressed people as selfish and aggressive. Towards the end of the fourth war, the story of Ashura and Indra is told to Naruto and Sasuke. Indra is apparently the original Uchiha who was influenced by some deranged evil spirit to pursue power over unification for completely selfish purposes. This is very unfairly equated to Sasuke and the rest of the Uchiha clan to explain to audience that the Uchiha are inherently evil and selfish detractors.
• To be a revolutionary is to be lonely. This ties into my last point. Sasuke is constantly referred to as lonely by just about everyone in the cast, Naruto especially. This has always been bothersome because Sasuke wouldnt have been lonely if his entire clan wasnt slaughtered by the very same people that Naruto stands by. This point is incredibly simple yet its overlooked because the anti-uchiha propaganda is so successful in what it sets out to do. To add onto this point, what if Naruto had simply said to Sasuke “I believe you have every right to bring the murderer of your clan to justice and I’ll stand by your right to justice every step of the way” instead of physically fighting him and screaming at him all the time? Sasuke isnt inherently lonely exclusively by his own means, he is alienated by everyone around him. The narrative acknowledges Sasukes emotional unfulfillment, IGNORES the real reason why hes lonely and then states that the only way that Sasuke will find a sense of family through the acceptance of his peers is if he conforms to the government and adopts the hegemonic ideology…. after “repenting” for ever daring to get justice for his clan in the first place. This eerie emotional blackmail is completely normalized and unquestioned by the narrative. It sends a harrowing message to the audience that it’s more desirable and fulfilling to conform to the government despite their poor treatment of your people and should you question otherwise, you must repent for forgiveness.
• The leader of the village is the most powerful member of the military, who is chosen exclusively through nepotism by a rich man who owns the land instead of the people, and is in power for an indeterminate length of time. Again with the military obsession! Not even necessarily the best military commander or anyone with experience in any leadership position at all. This is partly fascist due to the fact that theres no limitations on what a Kage can do to their village, they’re selected through nepotism and not democracy and they’re in power for as long as they please no matter how the public feel. The leader is not necessarily someone who is shown to be compassionate, responsible, trustworthy, intelligent or reliable. In fact, you could be a known, unpersecuted war criminal like Danzo and still get the position.
• To add on to that, war criminals in the Government or Military go completely unpersecuted and often unpunished - as shown by Danzo and the village elders. The village elders are still in the same position during the events of Boruto as they were in over 20 years ago when they conspired to execute the Uchiha massacre. Naruto and Sasuke know of their involvement yet havent held them accountable in any way.
• Child soldiers are sent to die for the government. It seems that only Obito notices this when Rin dies. The second he becomes critical of the fact of this reality is the second he becomes “hateful” and “evil.“
Theres plenty more but I’ve already spent an hour typing this up and checking over every little detail. Generally speaking, much like SNK, the theme of Naruto is to just simply ENDURE hardship, stay loyal to your government at all costs even if they cause the hardship and NEVER revolt. Naruto as a character serves as the purpose of being as reductive as possible to every single character that faces hardship with "I too was lonely and oppressed but I coped by worshipping the government for a sense of emotional validation and you can too!"
Le 27 novembre 2020 à 18:55:13 Pseudo supprimé a écrit :
I’m fairly sure at this point that Naruto is more or less fascist propaganda. There are so many things that we as a fandom want to turn a blind eye to yet when SNK was called out for being fascist, we had no problem boycotting it because it wasnt an anime that we’d come to love throughout our childhood. Unfortunately Naruto was a lot more subtle and pulled a fast one on us towards the end - 14/15 years after its initial release.
Theres a lot of intricate reasons as to why I’d call it fascist but I’ll list the general points to be made that everyone can easily recognize.
• Genocide for the good of the nation. This one is pretty obvious but I thought I’d get it out of the way. Slaughtering possible defectors of the state is apparently an honourable and justified choice. Even if some members of the oppressed minority were completely unaware of their leaders planned coup or had no desire to revolt against the system, each and every single one of them apparently deserved death.
• Brainwashing children into military violence goes completely unquestioned by the narrative. The only people who challenge this idea are portrayed as “hateful.” The best example of this is how the narrative feels the need to emphasize that Itachi murdering his clan was his own decision. I just find it awfully strange that we’re expected to believe that a 13 year old, who was sent to fight in a bloody war for his country when he was just a toddler and was shown to suffer from severe PTSD, apparently wasnt brainwashed with threats of war on his impressionable child brain when he was already completely numb to the concept of killing people. Itachis history details the story of a brainwashed child soldier yet goes to great efforts to brush it aside and give Itachi the autonomy that he never actually had. On a meta level it’s pretty messed up that Itachis actions as a result of his brainwashing, was praised by Hashirama Senju - the ultimate force of “peace” who founded the village and “the will of fire” that were so expected to admire.
• Consistent denial of blatant military violence. In the manga, the truth about the Uchiha massacre is covered up by Naruto, Sasuke and eventually Sakura to “maintain honour of the Uchiha.” This makes absolutely no logical sense whatsoever. How is it more honourable to say that a clan was slaughtered by a rogue criminal of their own (further perpetuating the selfish, bloodthirsty and power-hungry stereotype) when the truth is that an oppressed group of people were slaughtered off by the government? How can an act of genocide be prevented by a future government when the truth is actively censored by the governemnt? Neither Naruto nor Sasuke did anything to implement some sort of bill of human rights, laws or Geneva conventions in honour of Uchiha to prevent more innocent bloodshed at the hands of the state.
• Ultranationalism at every opportunity. The village is literally gated off. No one enters or leaves without permission from authority. The unification of the village under the statist military + the slaughter of any and all potential defectors is pretty telling. Its scary that “the will of fire” and protecting the state is the only honourable and good goal/ideology to have in this series as shown by Sasuke only ever being seen as “not evil” when he is beaten down into conforming to the government.
• Evil is in the genetics of the oppressed. This was pretty unsettling to witness and I’m surprised there havent been more people speaking out about it. Ideologies are inherited not just by fate, but by your genetics. The Senju-Uzumaki obviously have “The will of fire” which is known to be the supreme ideology. It consists of uniting and enduring the hardships of the world under the totalitarian government but NEVER pursuing revolution or change for the better. “The curse of hatred” is its counterpart which has its origins exclusively to the Uchiha. Its explained to be Uchiha culture to some degree. The narrative very desperately tries to paint the pursuit of revolution to prevent more violence as evil, bloodthirsty and selfish. This, in reality, makes no sense. Why are the Uchiha hateful for trying to fix a situation for the better of their family yet somehow the senju arent characterized by hatred despite openly hating the Uchiha? Simply put, the Uchiha are GENETICALLY undesirable and their push for equal rights are characterized as hateful, selfish and lonely. In reality, Madara Uchiha would not become a rogue ninja who decides to attack the entire village including his own family with Kurama because he could not get equal rights for the Uchiha. This doesnt add up with why he was so angry in the first place. Non of the “bloodthirsty” actions of any Uchiha do. They’re a fictional race of people that are only evil by the design of the author to portray oppressed people as selfish and aggressive. Towards the end of the fourth war, the story of Ashura and Indra is told to Naruto and Sasuke. Indra is apparently the original Uchiha who was influenced by some deranged evil spirit to pursue power over unification for completely selfish purposes. This is very unfairly equated to Sasuke and the rest of the Uchiha clan to explain to audience that the Uchiha are inherently evil and selfish detractors.
• To be a revolutionary is to be lonely. This ties into my last point. Sasuke is constantly referred to as lonely by just about everyone in the cast, Naruto especially. This has always been bothersome because Sasuke wouldnt have been lonely if his entire clan wasnt slaughtered by the very same people that Naruto stands by. This point is incredibly simple yet its overlooked because the anti-uchiha propaganda is so successful in what it sets out to do. To add onto this point, what if Naruto had simply said to Sasuke “I believe you have every right to bring the murderer of your clan to justice and I’ll stand by your right to justice every step of the way” instead of physically fighting him and screaming at him all the time? Sasuke isnt inherently lonely exclusively by his own means, he is alienated by everyone around him. The narrative acknowledges Sasukes emotional unfulfillment, IGNORES the real reason why hes lonely and then states that the only way that Sasuke will find a sense of family through the acceptance of his peers is if he conforms to the government and adopts the hegemonic ideology…. after “repenting” for ever daring to get justice for his clan in the first place. This eerie emotional blackmail is completely normalized and unquestioned by the narrative. It sends a harrowing message to the audience that it’s more desirable and fulfilling to conform to the government despite their poor treatment of your people and should you question otherwise, you must repent for forgiveness.
• The leader of the village is the most powerful member of the military, who is chosen exclusively through nepotism by a rich man who owns the land instead of the people, and is in power for an indeterminate length of time. Again with the military obsession! Not even necessarily the best military commander or anyone with experience in any leadership position at all. This is partly fascist due to the fact that theres no limitations on what a Kage can do to their village, they’re selected through nepotism and not democracy and they’re in power for as long as they please no matter how the public feel. The leader is not necessarily someone who is shown to be compassionate, responsible, trustworthy, intelligent or reliable. In fact, you could be a known, unpersecuted war criminal like Danzo and still get the position.
• To add on to that, war criminals in the Government or Military go completely unpersecuted and often unpunished - as shown by Danzo and the village elders. The village elders are still in the same position during the events of Boruto as they were in over 20 years ago when they conspired to execute the Uchiha massacre. Naruto and Sasuke know of their involvement yet havent held them accountable in any way.
• Child soldiers are sent to die for the government. It seems that only Obito notices this when Rin dies. The second he becomes critical of the fact of this reality is the second he becomes “hateful” and “evil.“
Theres plenty more but I’ve already spent an hour typing this up and checking over every little detail. Generally speaking, much like SNK, the theme of Naruto is to just simply ENDURE hardship, stay loyal to your government at all costs even if they cause the hardship and NEVER revolt. Naruto as a character serves as the purpose of being as reductive as possible to every single character that faces hardship with "I too was lonely and oppressed but I coped by worshipping the government for a sense of emotional validation and you can too!"
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[15:37:44] <Bikarop>
Le 27 novembre 2020 à 15:31:51 Sirop_N6 a écrit :
Le 27 novembre 2020 à 15:25:40 Bikarop a écrit :
-Kyubi en lui est un inconvenant mais pas un avantage du coup sa quantité de chakra est 100 fois inférieurs à ce qu'elle devrait etre
-Orochimaru qui dérègle ses tenkatsu jusqu'à ce que jiraya sauve ça
-Ne possède aucune technique secrète de clan à l'image des techniques de l'ombre du clan nara, des insectes du clan aburame, décuplement des akimichi ...
- ne sait meme pas de quel nature de chakra il est que jusqu'à shippuden
-la seule technique qu'il utilise en combat c'est le multiclonnage, technique que tout le monde maitrise avant meme de rentrer à l'académie des ninjas
-Le seul avantage qu'il a eu c'est d'avoir été entrainé par jiraya , et qu'il soit descendant d'un uzumaki.Sauf que personne ne peut utiliser le multiclonage comme Naruto car même si tout le monde peux le faire personne ne peut l’utiliser en combat à part lui car seul naruto a une quantité de Chantal suffisante pour utiliser cette technique en combat (même kakashi avoir qu’il a du mal à l’utiliser en combat du à sa quantité de chakra limitée)
C'est ce que j'ai dit, les seuls avantages qu'il a eu c'est d'avoir été entrainé par jiraya et le fait d'etre un uzumaki d'où une importante réserve de chakra qui normalement devrait etre 100 fois plus importante mais à cause de kyubi qui le lui draine ce n'est pas le cas, et ça ne change rien au fait que ce soit une technique de seconde catégorie et que tout le monde maitrise, c'est tout ce qu'il sait faire avec le razengan
et puis les atouts de naruto sont surtout la résistance la force et le taijutsu
Tu dis nimporte quoi toi .
Déjà c'est totalement faux, naruto sans kyuubi aurait une réserve de chakra 4 fois supérieure à celle de kakashi.
C'est justement kyuubi qui le boost .
Et le multi clonage y'a PERSONNE d'autre que Naruto qui peut l'utiliser à cette échelle.
C'est pas du tout une technique de base et c'est une technique de rang s, sans oublier qu'elle est interdite ,donc maitriser par très peu de personnes.
Naruto ses avantage ce sont....
Génétiques de malade .
Kyuubi qui le boost énormément.
Uzumaki
Reincarnation d'ashura
Le 07 décembre 2020 à 03:38:59 LeGuerrierNoFap a écrit :
[15:37:44] <Bikarop>
Le 27 novembre 2020 à 15:31:51 Sirop_N6 a écrit :
Le 27 novembre 2020 à 15:25:40 Bikarop a écrit :
-Kyubi en lui est un inconvenant mais pas un avantage du coup sa quantité de chakra est 100 fois inférieurs à ce qu'elle devrait etre
-Orochimaru qui dérègle ses tenkatsu jusqu'à ce que jiraya sauve ça
-Ne possède aucune technique secrète de clan à l'image des techniques de l'ombre du clan nara, des insectes du clan aburame, décuplement des akimichi ...
- ne sait meme pas de quel nature de chakra il est que jusqu'à shippuden
-la seule technique qu'il utilise en combat c'est le multiclonnage, technique que tout le monde maitrise avant meme de rentrer à l'académie des ninjas
-Le seul avantage qu'il a eu c'est d'avoir été entrainé par jiraya , et qu'il soit descendant d'un uzumaki.Sauf que personne ne peut utiliser le multiclonage comme Naruto car même si tout le monde peux le faire personne ne peut l’utiliser en combat à part lui car seul naruto a une quantité de Chantal suffisante pour utiliser cette technique en combat (même kakashi avoir qu’il a du mal à l’utiliser en combat du à sa quantité de chakra limitée)
C'est ce que j'ai dit, les seuls avantages qu'il a eu c'est d'avoir été entrainé par jiraya et le fait d'etre un uzumaki d'où une importante réserve de chakra qui normalement devrait etre 100 fois plus importante mais à cause de kyubi qui le lui draine ce n'est pas le cas, et ça ne change rien au fait que ce soit une technique de seconde catégorie et que tout le monde maitrise, c'est tout ce qu'il sait faire avec le razengan
et puis les atouts de naruto sont surtout la résistance la force et le taijutsuTu dis nimporte quoi toi .
Déjà c'est totalement faux, naruto sans kyuubi aurait une réserve de chakra 4 fois supérieure à celle de kakashi.
C'est justement kyuubi qui le boost .Et le multi clonage y'a PERSONNE d'autre que Naruto qui peut l'utiliser à cette échelle.
C'est pas du tout une technique de base et c'est une technique de rang s, sans oublier qu'elle est interdite ,donc maitriser par très peu de personnes.
Naruto ses avantage ce sont....
Génétiques de malade .
Kyuubi qui le boost énormément.
Uzumaki
Reincarnation d'ashura
ferme là quand tu ne sais pas de quoi tu parles
Naruto a 4 fois plus de chakra que Kakashi et si kyubi n'avait pas été scellé en lui , il en aurait eu 100 plus
https://www.facebook.com/101923064863059/videos/235574544237084/
18 : 45
Naruto c’est de la merde à partir de Shippuden. Ni plus ni moins.
La fin c’est encore pire. On va pas revenir dessus + Sasuke veut devenir Hokage + Orochimaru est un bon gars.
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